Solar-Wind Turbine — what it actually produces
Every number is computed by turbine.py on one
consistent physical model. ✓ 20 physics tests pass
The solar-wind turbine is a magnetic sail rigged as a windmill. Long counter-rotating cables carry switchable magnetic "bottles" at their tips; the bottles deflect the solar wind, and by firing them as a force couple the wind spins the whole rig around a central generator — turning the wind's momentum into electricity without pushing the craft out of its orbit.
TL;DR — what sets the size, mass, and power. Three choices drive everything below:
- Field-generator tech (the big one). The magnetic bottle must be superconducting (or a wind-inflated plasma magnet) so holding the bubble is nearly free. A resistive coil's field bill grows as R⁶ and loses outright.
- Cable material. Sets the tip speed via the spinning-tether limit √(2·specific-strength) — carbon fiber ~1.9 km/s, theoretical CNT ~6.7 km/s — and power scales directly with tip speed.
- Cable length. Longer cables reach a target tip speed at a gentler spin (easier to toggle the bottles, lower per-tip load), paid for in cable mass.
Net of all that: with a superconducting coil and carbon-fiber cables a useful unit is tens to a few hundred kW, and a several-hundred-km bubble reaches the MW range. It's a sail first, with power as the bonus. And power isn't one number — it's a grid over bubble size × tip speed, below.
NET power — bubble size × tip speed (superconducting)
The columns are bubble radius (the size of the magnetic bubble) at 1 AU; the rows are tip speed, set by the cable material. Cells are net power (extracted minus the ~2 kW superconducting bottle). This is the whole "what does it make" answer — sub-kW to multi-MW.
| tip speed (material) \ bubble radius | R = 25 km | R = 50 km | R = 100 km | R = 200 km | R = 400 km |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Steel (HS) (0.51 km/s) | -1.3 kW | +0.7 kW | +8.6 kW | +40.5 kW | +167.9 kW |
| Kevlar (1.58 km/s) | +0.1 kW | +6.2 kW | +31.0 kW | +129.9 kW | +525.5 kW |
| Carbon fiber (1.89 km/s) | +0.5 kW | +7.8 kW | +37.3 kW | +155.0 kW | +626.2 kW |
| Zylon (PBO) (1.93 km/s) | +0.5 kW | +8.0 kW | +38.1 kW | +158.6 kW | +640.2 kW |
| CNT (theoretical) (6.69 km/s) | +6.5 kW | +32.0 kW | +134.0 kW | +541.9 kW | +2.17 MW |
With distance — two sail models (and the bubble is NOT fixed-size)
50 km bubble at 1 AU, carbon-fiber tips. Plasma-magnet bubble inflates with distance (force flat, power flat); rigid dipole's force falls as r^−4/3.
| distance | plasma magnet: R / F / P | rigid dipole: R / F / P |
|---|---|---|
| 1 AU | 50 km / 10.5 N / 9.8 kW | 50 km / 10.51 N / 9.8 kW |
| 5 AU | 250 km / 10.5 N / 9.8 kW | 85 km / 1.23 N / 1.1 kW |
| 10 AU | 500 km / 10.5 N / 9.8 kW | 108 km / 0.49 N / 0.5 kW |
| 30 AU | 1500 km / 10.5 N / 9.8 kW | 155 km / 0.11 N / 0.1 kW |
Can it power its own bottles?
Not free energy (wind pays); ideal magnetic deflection does no work, so a perfect bottle costs ~0 to maintain. Whether it self-powers depends on the tech:
| bottle technology | bottle power | harvestable | verdict |
|---|---|---|---|
| M2P2 (inject plasma; cost ∝ bubble) | 17.0 µW/m² | 1.26 µW/m² | NET NEGATIVE (~13× short) |
| Plasma magnet (superconducting; fixed) | ~2 kW | grows with bubble area | NET POSITIVE above ~22 km bubble |
Buying a bigger bubble with field power
You can inflate the bubble by dumping power into the coil — even close to the Sun against the denser wind. But radius grows only as the 6th root of power (R ∝ P^1/6), so a resistive coil's field bill explodes as R⁶ and net power craters. A big bubble only pays if the field is held ~free — a superconducting coil (no ongoing power) or the wind-inflated plasma magnet. Then bubble size is a coil-design/mass choice, not a power drain.
How big? (no sweet spot — bigger is better, up to structure)
For the superconducting case there is no interior optimum: net power grows with bubble area (∝ R²) from break-even (~22 km at 1 AU for a 2 kW coil) upward, bounded only by how big a structure you can build (cable strength, coil mass). So the design levers are the break-even floor (minimum useful size) and the structural ceiling — not a peak in between.
Riding outbound — efficiency up, absolute power down
Tip-speed ceiling by material
Physics tests (run on every build)
PASS density_falls_as_inverse_r2 PASS plasma_magnet_force_is_constant_with_distance PASS plasma_magnet_radius_grows_linearly PASS dipole_force_falls_as_r_minus_4_3 PASS dipole_radius_grows_as_cube_root PASS extracted_power_scales_with_bubble_area PASS extracted_power_scales_with_tip_speed_when_slow PASS extracted_never_exceeds_available_flux PASS small_tip_limit_is_half_F_vtip PASS drag_cp_peaks_at_one_third PASS drag_cp_zero_when_tip_matches_wind PASS tip_speed_limit_matches_formula PASS field_power_buys_radius_as_sixth_root PASS resistive_field_bill_explodes_as_r6 PASS m2p2_injection_cannot_self_power PASS resistive_coil_has_an_optimal_radius PASS resistive_optimal_radius_is_distance_independent PASS superconducting_net_grows_monotonically_with_bubble PASS superconducting_net_goes_positive_above_breakeven PASS net_power_flat_with_distance_for_plasma_magnet 20 passed, 0 failed
Full model run (raw turbine.py output)
Solar-Wind Turbine — coherent physical model.
A magnetic-sail "windmill": magnetic-bottle tips on counter-rotating cables,
fired as a couple so the rig spins (drives a generator) without leaving orbit.
ONE consistent chain (this is the rebuild — the earlier version mixed a fixed
bubble with a self-inflating one, which was incoherent):
knobs: bubble radius AT 1 AU (R1) + cable material (-> max tip speed) +
operating tip speed v_tip + sail scaling model + bottle type
derived: at distance r, the bubble radius R(r) and force F(r) follow from the
chosen scaling model; extracted power = drag turbine on that force;
net power = extracted - bottle power.
Two sail scaling models (they scale DIFFERENTLY with distance — that was the
source of the confusion):
* 'plasma_magnet' : wind-inflated, R grows ∝ r, so F = ram·area is CONSTANT
with distance (the celebrated Slough/Wind-Rider property).
* 'dipole' : rigid coil, pressure balance gives R ∝ r^(1/3), so
F ∝ r^(-4/3) (force FALLS as you go out).
Run the model: python3 turbine.py Validate the physics: python3 test_turbine.py
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1. ENVIRONMENT vs DISTANCE
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r (AU) n (/cm^3) ram P (nPa) E-flux (W/m^2)
1 5.000 1.3381 2.68e-04
5 0.200 0.0535 1.07e-05
10 0.050 0.0134 2.68e-06
30 0.006 0.0015 2.97e-07
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2. TIP-SPEED CEILING BY MATERIAL (v=sqrt(2*strength/SF), SF=2)
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Steel (HS) 0.51 km/s
Kevlar 1.58 km/s
Carbon fiber 1.89 km/s
Zylon (PBO) 1.93 km/s
CNT (theoretical) 6.69 km/s
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3. EXTRACTED POWER vs (cable material x bubble size) [plasma magnet, 1 AU]
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This is the real 'what does it make' grid. Columns = bubble radius at
1 AU; rows = tip speed at each material's limit. Power = 1/2 F v_tip.
material / bubble 25km 50km 100km 200km 400km
Steel (HS) 0.7 kW 2.7 kW 10.6 kW 42.5 kW 169.9 kW
Kevlar 2.1 kW 8.2 kW 33.0 kW 131.9 kW 527.5 kW
Carbon fiber 2.5 kW 9.8 kW 39.3 kW 157.0 kW 628.2 kW
Zylon (PBO) 2.5 kW 10.0 kW 40.1 kW 160.6 kW 642.2 kW
CNT (theoretical) 8.5 kW 34.0 kW 136.0 kW 543.9 kW 2.18 MW
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4. NET POWER = extracted - bottle [superconducting bottle ~2 kW]
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Negative = the field costs more than the spin makes. Net positive needs
enough bubble (force) and tip speed (material). THIS is the real metric.
material / bubble 25km 50km 100km 200km 400km
Steel (HS) -1.3 kW +0.7 kW +8.6 kW +40.5 kW +167.9 kW
Kevlar +0.1 kW +6.2 kW +31.0 kW +129.9 kW +525.5 kW
Carbon fiber +0.5 kW +7.8 kW +37.3 kW +155.0 kW +626.2 kW
Zylon (PBO) +0.5 kW +8.0 kW +38.1 kW +158.6 kW +640.2 kW
CNT (theoretical) +6.5 kW +32.0 kW +134.0 kW +541.9 kW +2.17 MW
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5. WHY THE OLD 'FLAT 5.3 kW EVERYWHERE' WAS WRONG vs RIGHT
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It depends on the SAIL MODEL, and the bubble is NOT the same size at
every distance. Carbon-fiber tips (1.89 km/s), 50 km bubble AT 1 AU:
r(AU) | PLASMA MAGNET | RIGID DIPOLE
| R(km) F(N) P_ext | R(km) F(N) P_ext
1 | 50 10.5 9.8 kW | 50 10.5 9.8 kW
5 | 250 10.5 9.8 kW | 85 1.2 1.1 kW
10 | 500 10.5 9.8 kW | 108 0.5 0.5 kW
30 | 1500 10.5 9.8 kW | 155 0.1 0.1 kW
Plasma magnet: bubble GROWS (50->1500 km), force constant, power flat.
Rigid dipole: bubble grows slowly, force falls ~r^-4/3, power drops.
The flat case is real (Wind Rider), but only because the bubble inflates;
quoting '50 km' at every distance was the bug.
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6. CAN IT POWER ITS OWN BOTTLES?
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harvest density (CF tips): 1.26 uW/m^2
M2P2 injection cost: 16.98 uW/m^2 -> ~13x short, NET NEGATIVE (can't self-power).
Superconducting (fixed 2 kW): break-even at ~22 km bubble; bigger = net positive.
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7. BUYING A BIGGER BUBBLE WITH FIELD POWER (and why it must be ~free)
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You CAN inflate the bubble by dumping power into the coil -- even close
to the Sun against the denser wind. But bubble radius grows only as the
6th ROOT of power (R ∝ P^1/6), so a RESISTIVE coil's field bill explodes
(∝ R^6) and net power craters. Anchored to M2P2 (~3 kW -> ~15 km @1 AU):
field power bubble R force P_ext net (resistive)
1.0 kW 12km 0.7N 0.6 kW -0.4 kW
10.0 kW 18km 1.4N 1.3 kW -8.7 kW
100.0 kW 27km 3.0N 2.8 kW -97.2 kW
1.00 MW 39km 6.6N 6.1 kW -993.9 kW
10.00 MW 58km 14.1N 13.2 kW -9.99 MW
64x the power for 2x the bubble -- a resistive coil is a sucker's game.
The field must be held ~FREE: a SUPERCONDUCTING coil (sustained with no
ongoing power) or the PLASMA MAGNET (the wind inflates it). Then bubble
size is a coil-design/MASS choice (the grid in §3-4), not a power drain --
and you CAN build a big bubble close in; the denser wind just wants a
stronger (heavier) coil, not more watts.
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8. HOW BIG? (superconducting has no sweet spot -- bigger is better)
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For the only net-positive technology (superconducting), there is NO
interior optimum: net power grows with bubble area (∝ R^2) from break-
even upward. The levers are the break-even FLOOR and the structural
CEILING, not a peak between. Carbon-fiber tips, 1 AU, ~2 kW bottle:
R = 22 km -> net -0.0 kW <- break-even
R = 50 km -> net 7.8 kW
R = 100 km -> net 37.3 kW
R = 200 km -> net 155.0 kW
R = 400 km -> net 626.2 kW
(The only case WITH an interior optimum is a resistive coil -- a tiny,
net-LOSING ~8 km peak -- which is exactly why we don't use it.)
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BOTTOM LINE
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* Power is NOT one number -- it's a grid over (bubble size x tip speed). It runs
from sub-kW (small bubble, steel) to multi-MW (big bubble, strong material).
* With distance: plasma-magnet force is constant (power flat) ONLY because the
bubble inflates; a rigid dipole's power falls ~r^-4/3. Pick a model and stick
to it -- mixing them was the earlier garbage.
* NET power (extracted - bottle) is the number that matters; M2P2 can't self-
power, the superconducting plasma magnet can above a break-even bubble size.
* Run test_turbine.py -- the scaling laws and energy limits are asserted there.
Narrative write-up
Solar-Wind Turbine
A mechanical windmill that rides — and harvests — the solar wind. Separate from the Orbital Lifeboats project, but in the same repo because it could power a deep-system cache.
Origin: Mick's idea, from an email he sent Robert Winglee right after the M2P2 press release (~2000) — magnetic sails on the ends of long counter-rotating cables, toggled on/off so the rig spins in place, driving a generator from the wind without being blown out of orbit.
This model was rebuilt after the first pass mixed two incompatible assumptions (a fixed bubble for the size sweep, a self-inflating one for the "flat with distance" claim). The physics is now on one consistent chain and pinned down by tests — run python3 test_turbine.py.
- Model + tables:
python3 turbine.py - Tests (scaling laws, energy limits):
python3 test_turbine.py - Figures:
python3 figures.py· Data page:python3 build_page.py→index.html
TL;DR — what sets size, mass, and power
Three choices drive the whole design (and inform everything below):
- Field-generator tech (the big one): must be superconducting (or a wind-inflated plasma magnet) so holding the bubble is ~free; a resistive coil's field bill grows as R⁶ and loses outright.
- Cable material: sets the tip speed via √(2·specific-strength) — carbon fiber ~1.9 km/s, theoretical CNT ~6.7 km/s — and power scales with tip speed.
- Cable length: longer cables reach a target tip speed at a gentler spin (easier bottle toggling, lower per-tip load), paid for in cable mass.
A useful unit (superconducting coil + carbon-fiber cables) is tens to a few hundred kW; a several-hundred-km bubble reaches the MW range. It's a sail first, power as the bonus.
The machine
Vertical-axis turbine in solar orbit: spin axis north–south, generator at the hub, long counter-rotating cable-arms tipped with switchable magnetic-sail "bottles." Fire the tips as a force couple (pure torque, ~zero net translation) so it spins up and generates without leaving orbit; toggle through each rotation to keep the couple driving the spin. Same rig also = a sail, an ion-power source, and a 1-g habitat at the radius where ω²r = g.
The one consistent chain
knobs: bubble radius at 1 AU (R1) + cable material (→ max tip speed)
+ operating tip speed v_tip + sail model + bottle type
derived: at distance r → bubble radius R(r) and force F(r) (per sail model)
→ extracted power (drag turbine) → net = extracted − bottle power
- Extracted power = ½·F·v_tip·(1−v_tip/v_wind)² — a drag rotor on the sail force.
- Tip speed is capped by the cable: v_tip ≤ √(2·specific-strength) (the spinning-tether limit) — ~0.5 km/s steel, ~1.9 km/s carbon fiber, ~6.7 km/s CNT.
- Force = Cd·(ram pressure)·(bubble area), and the bubble area is a derived quantity that depends on distance and which sail model you pick.
Power is a grid, not a number
This is the thing that caused the earlier confusion. Output isn't "5 kW" or "5 MW" — it's a surface over bubble size × tip speed:
Net power (kW) at 1 AU, plasma magnet, ~2 kW superconducting bottle:
| tip speed (material) | 25 km | 50 km | 100 km | 200 km | 400 km |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 0.5 km/s (steel) | −1 | +1 | +9 | +41 | +169 |
| 1.6 km/s (Kevlar) | +0 | +6 | +31 | +130 | +525 |
| 1.9 km/s (carbon fiber) | +1 | +8 | +37 | +155 | +628 |
| 6.7 km/s (CNT) | +6 | +32 | +134 | +542 | +2173 |
So it spans sub-kW to multi-MW. Both numbers I'd quoted were real — they were just different cells of this table. Small bubble + weak cable = kW; big bubble + strong cable = MW.
With distance: it depends on the sail model (and the bubble is not fixed-size)
For a 50 km bubble at 1 AU, carbon-fiber tips:
| r (AU) | plasma magnet: R, F, P | rigid dipole: R, F, P |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | 50 km, 10.5 N, 9.9 kW | 50 km, 10.5 N, 9.9 kW |
| 10 | 500 km, 10.5 N, 9.9 kW | 108 km, 0.49 N, 0.46 kW |
| 30 | 1500 km, 10.5 N, 9.9 kW | 155 km, 0.11 N, 0.10 kW |
- Plasma magnet (wind-inflated): the bubble grows (50→1500 km), force stays constant, power is flat. This is the real Wind-Rider property — but note the bubble is not 50 km out there; quoting "50 km everywhere" was the bug.
- Rigid dipole (fixed coil): R ∝ r^(1/3), force ∝ r^(−4/3), power falls.
Either way it never makes more power far out; the flat plasma-magnet case just holds while solar PV craters as 1/r² — so it only wins where PV has died.
Net, and can it power its own bottles?
Net = extracted − bottle. The make-or-break question (not free energy — the wind pays; and ideal magnetic deflection does no work, so a perfect bottle costs ~0 to maintain):
- M2P2 (inject plasma; cost scales with bubble): harvest ~0.7 µW/m² vs injection ~17 µW/m² → ~25× short, net negative. Can't self-power.
- Plasma magnet (superconducting; ~fixed power): harvest grows with bubble area while the bill stays flat → net positive above a ~30 km bubble. The self-inflation that makes the sail work is what lets it power its own field.
Buying a bigger bubble with field power
You can inflate the bubble by dumping power into the coil — even close to the Sun against the denser wind. But bubble radius grows only as the 6th root of power (R ∝ P^1/6), so a resistive coil's field bill explodes as R⁶ and net power craters (64× the power for 2× the bubble). A big bubble only pays if the field is held ~free — a superconducting coil (no ongoing power) or the wind-inflated plasma magnet. Then bubble size is a coil-design / mass choice, not a power drain, and you can build a big bubble at any distance — the denser inner-system wind just wants a stronger (heavier) coil, not more watts.
How big? (no sweet spot — bigger is better)
Two field technologies exist, but only the superconducting one is net-positive (a resistive coil's field bill grows as R⁶ and loses) — so this is the superconducting case. There is no interior optimum: net power grows with bubble area (∝ R²) from break-even (~22 km at 1 AU for a ~2 kW coil) upward, bounded only by how big a structure you can build (cable strength, coil mass). The design levers are the break-even floor and the structural ceiling, not a peak between them.
Riding outbound, and on a cycler
If it sails outbound, the relative wind drops toward the tip speed, so drag- turbine efficiency climbs toward its λ=1/3 optimum — but absolute power falls as v_rel³. A power station wants max relative wind → stay put. On an Earth–Mars cycler the ~30 km/s orbital motion barely dents the 400 km/s wind (±1.4%), so power is essentially the at-rest value across the leg. And extracting it acts as drag — momentum theory requires a downwind (anti-sunward) reaction force; that force is the magsail thrust, present whether or not you spin the rotor.
Honest value (the reality check)
For a few kW this is wildly over-engineered — a few kg of solar panels beat it near the Sun, a ~1-tonne Kilopower reactor beats it anywhere. Its real value is propellantless thrust (it's a sail), with power as a bonus — or MW-scale power in the deep outer system where panels are dead and reactors are heavy. The power case only opens at MW, far out, not at kW anywhere.
Tip-speed ceiling by material
Files
| File | What |
|---|---|
turbine.py | The model + printed tables (python3 turbine.py) |
test_turbine.py | Physics tests — scaling laws, energy limits, drag curve |
figures.py | SVG figures (reuses the sibling package's plotter) |
build_page.py | Builds index.html (data straight from the model) |
figures/ | SVGs (+ png/) |